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Everyone shows ID for beer in Tenn.

By LUCAS L. JOHNSON II, Associated Press WriterSat Jun 30, 11:36 PM ET

Comer Wilson hasn't had to show his ID to buy beer in a while. Maybe it's the 66-year-old man's long white beard. Starting Sunday, gray hair won't be good enough. Wilson and everyone else will be required to show identification before buying beer in Tennessee stores — no matter how old the buyer appears.

"It's the stupidest law I ever heard of," Wilson said. "You can see I'm over 21."

Tennessee is the first state to make universal carding mandatory, says the National Alcohol Beverage Control Association. However, the law does not apply to beer sales in bars and restaurants, and it does not cover wine and liquor.

Supporters say it keeps grocery store and convenience store clerks from having to guess a customer's age. Democratic Gov. Phil Bredesen said it's a good way to address the problems of underage drinking.

And the 63-year-old governor said he personally won't mind the extra effort to buy beer.

"I'll be very pleased when I'm carded, and in my mind I'll just imagine it's because I look so young," he said.

Rich Foge, executive director of the Tennessee Malt Beverage Association, said he expects there might be some initial resistance from the beer-buying public.

"But once people live with it for a month or two, it's going to go fine," he said. "It gets routine after a while."

Jarron Springer, president of the Tennessee Grocers and Convenience Store Association, said he understands the law "may seem a little odd" to people who are obviously older than 21, but he said it's necessary to make sure no one slips through the cracks.

"If we're going to hold clerks accountable for their actions, then there's no room for discretion," Springer said. "It's either all or nothing."

The blanket requirement makes it easier for stores to comply, said Steve Schmidt, spokesman for the National Alcohol Beverage Control Association

"There's no need to judge whether someone looks 21, 25 or 30," he said. "It's a set, consistent standard across the entire state."

Richard Rollins, who owns a convenience store in Nashville, is already using a computerized scanner to check everyone's driver's licenses when they buy beer. "We just say we're trying to keep our beer permit, and this is the safest way," Rollins said.

But it has stopped Jeff Campbell from shopping at Rollins' market.

"I don't mind them asking for my ID, but they don't need my driver's license number," said Campbell, 43. "I'm just buying a six-pack. All they need to know is how old I am."

Rollins said scanning licenses has proved beneficial in other ways, such as catching criminals.

When one customer tried to make a purchase using a counterfeit bill, Rollins said police were able to track him down because the receipt from the scanner showed his name and license number — and his address.

The new law, which expires after a year unless the Legislature decides to renew it, also creates a voluntary training program for vendors and their employees. Participating businesses would face lower fines if found guilty of selling beer to a minor, and their beer permits cannot be revoked on a first offense.

However, they face fines of up to $1,000 for each underage sale and they lose their status if they commit two violations in a 12-month period. Another violation could mean suspension or revocation of a license, and fine of up to $2,500.

Noncertified vendors can face those penalties on a first offense.

Marylee Booth, executive director of the Tennessee Oil Marketers Association, which represents gas stations and convenience stores, said the intention is not to hurt vendors, but to help them protect minors.

"We're doing everything we can to keep minors from buying beer," Booth said. "This is just one more tool we want to try."

im1096 said:
 
This is just one more example of how Big Brother IS watching and how closely.

Please don't misunderstand - I am firmly against sales of alcohol and tobacco to underage buyers, but there is NO reason anyone will scan MY driver's license and log my personal information into their computer. That is taking things way too far. Any reasonably alert clerk with at least two brain cells still firing should be able to look at a photo ID and determine whether or not the ID is legit and the customer is old enough to make the purchase. It isn't that difficult - my two youngest children and I do it every day.
 
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Vaughn Tolle said:
 
Perhaps I'm a bit simple here, but it seems to me the scanning of DLs is an open invitation to identity theft as well.
 
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im1096 said:
 
Not only that, Vaughn, but it also isn't anything like a reliable way to catch counterfeiters. I'm fairly certain that the customer mentioned in Tracy's article had NO idea that the bill he was passing was fake, and further, that he had NO idea where he had gotten it. What most people don't know is that it's possible to get funny money from ATMs and banks as well as anywhere else one spends money and receives change. The pens that a lot of cashiers use to check money are no longer effective since counterfeiters have begun bleaching smaller bills and reprinting larger bills on the "official" paper.
 
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Vaughn Tolle said:
 
Correct you are, im. However, I may have overreacted a bit, as it appears the scanning isn't in universal use, just by the establishment cited in the article. Sounds like, after a bit more careful read, most places are just looking at the DL for the pertinent data, and not scanning the info into the computer. If the law is reenacted, I would suggest to the legislators of the State of Tennessee that scanning be prohibited.
 
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And this brings up another privacy issue....
I haven't asked the Instaspot staff, but they might be using "AdWare".
I'm no egg-spurt on this, but I believe it's like a "cookie", but also tracks your web use.
That way sales pitches can be tailored to the victem, er, um.....user.
The IT person at work said my puter was loaded with the stuff, and you get it from some of the most "trusted sources".
Ain't technology a pain, um, er.... GREAT?
 
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rm6046 said:
 
I stopped in a package store in Valley the other day, and there must have been 5 or 6 people in line in front of me at the checkout counter. By the time it was my turn to check out, there were another 4 or 5 in line behind me. The clerk, probably in her early 30's, had "carded" each and every one of the people in front of me. When it became my turn, she simply told me how much I owed her. As I was paying her, I told her I would be glad to show her my D.L. too, if she wished to see it. Everybody behind me erupted in simultaneous laughter, the clerk turned "beet red", and then I started laughing, too. Before all was said and done, she was laughing harder than all the rest of us put together. It was a great moment for all.

But, seriously, as Vaughn said, I would have no problem with anyone asking for proper identification, but "scanning" my license for any other information is not acceptable, and I would definitely not make the intended purchase, nor would they need to worry about my "darkening their doorway" again.

 
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