Welcome James, come on in.
OPEN THREADSJames has been a weblog lurker for quite some time,
so if he already seems to know you, understand why.
Another former Wichita resident, and weblog refugee.
Now a teacher in Tulsa, with school coming up, he will get to know us even better.
lindainks55 said:
Hi James! Let us get to know you too.
Are there other lurkers? We sure are interested in what you think. We all welcome your opinions, promise to disagree agreeably and probably everyone will gain, or at least be entertained, by the exchange.
Are there other lurkers? We sure are interested in what you think. We all welcome your opinions, promise to disagree agreeably and probably everyone will gain, or at least be entertained, by the exchange.
Vaughn Tolle said:
Tried to find a link to any story on this, but in my limited search, didn't find a story. So, here goes...
Watching Olberman last night as I was sticking address labels on envelopes, and heard his interview with General Clark. There was discussed a "breaking story" from AP concerning the Tillman matter, that there had been interference with the investigation of the circumstances surrounding his death. According to my recollection, the story involved emails between Army lawyers congratulating themselves over stopping a criminal investigation into the same. What apparently was the root of the potential investigation was the alleged closeness of the two shots to the head that resulted in his death, the same being separated by one inch. Now, this is really good shooting if the one(s) firing were in fact around 100 meters away. However, if, as apparently alleged, the shooter(s) were less than 10 feet away, it's not quite so good.
I'm not making any judgments here other than to say that there should be an investigation carried out. It has become known that Cpl. Tillman opposed the War in Iraq. I'm going to start sounding like a conspiracy theorist here, so apologizing for that in advance. If this was widely know, would it seem unlikely that someone would want him eliminated, given his status and the publicity surrounding his leaving the NFL to enlist? Playing the Devil's Advocate for a moment, the "fragging" incidents in Viet Nam happened to those who were real pricks, "by the book" types who often were lifers in temperament and who were intensely disliked by others in the unit. Maybe Tillman was perceived to be of that type, and got taken out by fellow Rangers who just couldn't deal with it in any other way. Maybe there's nothing other than what we have learned (although I suspect there's more, much more, given the military's penchant for secrecy and avoidance of embarrassment, whether the same points to criminality or not).
Whatever the case, there needs to be an additional investigation, one, this time, not conducted by the Army.
Watching Olberman last night as I was sticking address labels on envelopes, and heard his interview with General Clark. There was discussed a "breaking story" from AP concerning the Tillman matter, that there had been interference with the investigation of the circumstances surrounding his death. According to my recollection, the story involved emails between Army lawyers congratulating themselves over stopping a criminal investigation into the same. What apparently was the root of the potential investigation was the alleged closeness of the two shots to the head that resulted in his death, the same being separated by one inch. Now, this is really good shooting if the one(s) firing were in fact around 100 meters away. However, if, as apparently alleged, the shooter(s) were less than 10 feet away, it's not quite so good.
I'm not making any judgments here other than to say that there should be an investigation carried out. It has become known that Cpl. Tillman opposed the War in Iraq. I'm going to start sounding like a conspiracy theorist here, so apologizing for that in advance. If this was widely know, would it seem unlikely that someone would want him eliminated, given his status and the publicity surrounding his leaving the NFL to enlist? Playing the Devil's Advocate for a moment, the "fragging" incidents in Viet Nam happened to those who were real pricks, "by the book" types who often were lifers in temperament and who were intensely disliked by others in the unit. Maybe Tillman was perceived to be of that type, and got taken out by fellow Rangers who just couldn't deal with it in any other way. Maybe there's nothing other than what we have learned (although I suspect there's more, much more, given the military's penchant for secrecy and avoidance of embarrassment, whether the same points to criminality or not).
Whatever the case, there needs to be an additional investigation, one, this time, not conducted by the Army.
lindainks55 said:
From what I've heard his parents are very disappointed with the investigation and sound like they might not let this be dropped. If they have the resources to forge ahead maybe it really will be investigated completely, fairly and thoroughly
I'm not getting my hopes up. What I will always remember bushco for is the ability to get out of whatever was gotten into. I know this isn't technically bushco, I just hold him and his responsible for EVERYTHING, exactly like the Cons accuse.
I'm not getting my hopes up. What I will always remember bushco for is the ability to get out of whatever was gotten into. I know this isn't technically bushco, I just hold him and his responsible for EVERYTHING, exactly like the Cons accuse.
francja said:
Wow! For a person who can count the number of times I've posted on two hands, I don't think I am worthy of this!! Thank you, one and all, especially Tracy, for making me feel like I belong. I still prefer lurking, I'm just not the type of person to say something just for the sake of saying something. Perhaps I can change that!!! This is really a nice place. Thank you for allowing me to come here.
Vaughn Tolle said:
http://tinyurl.com/293ldm
For the record: why I believe it doesn't matter when the U.S. withdraws its forces from Iraq, and why I further believe the longer we stay, the bloodier the battles will be.
For the record: why I believe it doesn't matter when the U.S. withdraws its forces from Iraq, and why I further believe the longer we stay, the bloodier the battles will be.
lindainks55 said:
francja, maybe we can be a good influence on one another and I will post less often. I could surely use some of those lessons in learning to NOT say something for the sake of saying something! ;-0
Vaughn, do you think bushco knows exactly what you know except they are little people who see it as failure if they admit the obvious? That, plus the continued revenue for the haves and have mores...
Vaughn, do you think bushco knows exactly what you know except they are little people who see it as failure if they admit the obvious? That, plus the continued revenue for the haves and have mores...
Vaughn Tolle said:
Linda, unless they are even more incompetent that I think they are, yes they have to see it. I don't bet, but if I did I'd bet at least $1.00 that the Pentagon MILITARY personnel see it too, and they are in the process of forming, if the same do not already exist, contingency plans for the fallout. If they didn't, there would be, IMHO, grounds for bringing charges of dereliction of duty under the UCMJ. (BTW, drawing inferences from comments made by SecDef Gates, he sees it, too.)
Yes, also, it would be seen as a monumental failure if they admitted the obvious and withdrew forces, not only now, but in the future. W is apparently obsessed with his "legacy", and this is causing him to believe Cheney, Wolfowitz, et al., were right all along. Predicting the future which will become history isn't one of my strong suits, but at this point, his legacy is sealed IMHO on the foreign policy front, at least, as being the person in charge of one of the biggest blunders in the history of the Republic.
I believe, from inferences based upon his public comments, Gen. Petraeus sees it, too. Thus, his comments on the need for political solutions, that military solutions will not resolve the issue.
As all know, I was against this ab initio. Had I been blogging "back then", there would be plenty in the record supporting the fist statement. I held the belief back then that, inter alia, the President needed to listen to those whose entire professional lives had been spent studying the region, and who were (as I recall) uniform in their predictions of what has seemingly come to pass. I also could not believe the continued assertions of WMD at the time after the U.N. inspectors were allowed back into Iraq and they continually reported finding nothing. I firmly believe that the feeling that WMD existed was so strong within the Administration there were many feeding "leads" to the inspectors, and imagine these folks were continuously frustrated by the lack of results. I can locate and obtain affidavits from two disinterested parties to the content of our discussions at break time concerning my belief that these results dictated the need to back off pending new intelligence.
Once Iraq was invaded, and the military part was over, I felt that since we were there, we had to stay to "fix" what we had broken. Thereafter came the CPA, who proceeded to further muck things up to the place that I became convinced that fixing what the invasion broke was going to become darned near impossible. Still, through 2004, I resisted the temptation to draw easy analogies to Viet Nam. My resistance began to crumble following the upsurge in "insurgent" activities.
I also fought early the facile "we're there for the oil, stupid" characterization of the motives underlying the invasion. I also felt the explanation that the reason Iraq was invaded was a payback for the failed assassination plot on President Bush 41 was simplistic and wrong. After these many years, I'm beginning to believe these two things were, in some combination, the real reasons. Oh, I could dress it all up in pretty Neo-con theory, and put lipstick on the pig and all that, but it seems to come down to that, doesn't it.
Now, if W and his folks had said, "OK, Saddam is a bad guy. The Saudis are bad guys. We gotta have oil from that part of the world to be able to continue to operate, so we can't get after the Saudis to clean up their act until we have an alternative source of oil available to offset that which we're not going to get from the Saudis. Saddam's an easy target, there'll be little difficulty taking him down, and most of the world won't resist us as he's such a badass, we're going to do it, and then, once the Iraqi reserves are stabilized and guaranteed, we're going after the Saudis and the Wahabbis operating there (hey, they're really the problem, as this is where Osama gets his money and his recruits) to clean up that mess, with the overall purpose being to stabilize the region and remove some of the reasons terrorists flourish", then I'd still not have supported the invasion, but I would have understood the rationale behind the same.
Cynical, you say? Realistic, I respond. Meanwhile, a whole lot of folks are dying and being wounded as the beat goes on.
Yes, also, it would be seen as a monumental failure if they admitted the obvious and withdrew forces, not only now, but in the future. W is apparently obsessed with his "legacy", and this is causing him to believe Cheney, Wolfowitz, et al., were right all along. Predicting the future which will become history isn't one of my strong suits, but at this point, his legacy is sealed IMHO on the foreign policy front, at least, as being the person in charge of one of the biggest blunders in the history of the Republic.
I believe, from inferences based upon his public comments, Gen. Petraeus sees it, too. Thus, his comments on the need for political solutions, that military solutions will not resolve the issue.
As all know, I was against this ab initio. Had I been blogging "back then", there would be plenty in the record supporting the fist statement. I held the belief back then that, inter alia, the President needed to listen to those whose entire professional lives had been spent studying the region, and who were (as I recall) uniform in their predictions of what has seemingly come to pass. I also could not believe the continued assertions of WMD at the time after the U.N. inspectors were allowed back into Iraq and they continually reported finding nothing. I firmly believe that the feeling that WMD existed was so strong within the Administration there were many feeding "leads" to the inspectors, and imagine these folks were continuously frustrated by the lack of results. I can locate and obtain affidavits from two disinterested parties to the content of our discussions at break time concerning my belief that these results dictated the need to back off pending new intelligence.
Once Iraq was invaded, and the military part was over, I felt that since we were there, we had to stay to "fix" what we had broken. Thereafter came the CPA, who proceeded to further muck things up to the place that I became convinced that fixing what the invasion broke was going to become darned near impossible. Still, through 2004, I resisted the temptation to draw easy analogies to Viet Nam. My resistance began to crumble following the upsurge in "insurgent" activities.
I also fought early the facile "we're there for the oil, stupid" characterization of the motives underlying the invasion. I also felt the explanation that the reason Iraq was invaded was a payback for the failed assassination plot on President Bush 41 was simplistic and wrong. After these many years, I'm beginning to believe these two things were, in some combination, the real reasons. Oh, I could dress it all up in pretty Neo-con theory, and put lipstick on the pig and all that, but it seems to come down to that, doesn't it.
Now, if W and his folks had said, "OK, Saddam is a bad guy. The Saudis are bad guys. We gotta have oil from that part of the world to be able to continue to operate, so we can't get after the Saudis to clean up their act until we have an alternative source of oil available to offset that which we're not going to get from the Saudis. Saddam's an easy target, there'll be little difficulty taking him down, and most of the world won't resist us as he's such a badass, we're going to do it, and then, once the Iraqi reserves are stabilized and guaranteed, we're going after the Saudis and the Wahabbis operating there (hey, they're really the problem, as this is where Osama gets his money and his recruits) to clean up that mess, with the overall purpose being to stabilize the region and remove some of the reasons terrorists flourish", then I'd still not have supported the invasion, but I would have understood the rationale behind the same.
Cynical, you say? Realistic, I respond. Meanwhile, a whole lot of folks are dying and being wounded as the beat goes on.
Vaughn Tolle said:
BTW, James, a/k/a "Teacher", a/k/a "francja", welcome to our little madhouse. We're all harmless, more or less, but occasionally when I'm off my meds, I can be a little much.
lindainks55 said:
Standing ovation!
I too was very against this foray into futility before it ever began; caused more than one silent evening with my hubby. tehe
He is less supportive today but still doesn't want to wave the white flag and can't separate the failure of bushco from the success of the military. Such a loyal soul is he; and not a quitter at anything.
We really don't argue often and when we do neither is willing to put much effort into getting really mad and would prefer moving along to making up. We long ago chose the hills we're willing to die on and both know the others.
I too was very against this foray into futility before it ever began; caused more than one silent evening with my hubby. tehe
He is less supportive today but still doesn't want to wave the white flag and can't separate the failure of bushco from the success of the military. Such a loyal soul is he; and not a quitter at anything.
We really don't argue often and when we do neither is willing to put much effort into getting really mad and would prefer moving along to making up. We long ago chose the hills we're willing to die on and both know the others.
Vaughn Tolle said:
Linda, that (separation of the failure of the civilian leadership from the success of the military) is a major deal for many good people, especially vets, in dealing with this thing personally. Speaking for myself in my capacity of a veteran only, I see the military as being spectacular in its success in carrying out the military mission assigned. I see the civilian leadership as being totally incompetent in the assigning of the mission initially, and in assigning the subsequent mission which is not a military one, but rather one which is, perforce, political. As I'm prone to do, I say "The military won the war; the leadership has lost the peace".
Rox said:
Add a "me three" to the conversation. I'll add another equation to the two already mentioned: A presence in the Middle East. One we could control, of course, as we couldn't in Saudi Arabia (the cause of 9/11?)
At one time I heard we were building at least 14 permanent bases in Iraq. We already know about the ghastly and expensive U.S. embassy building. Does anyone else think that's a sure sign we plan to be there for forever?
VT, I missed Olbermann on Tillman, but I was laughing and groaning at the TSA and government reports of "scary" items brought on airplanes. Will watch tonight, as youngest daughter and I want to watch J.K. Rowling...if we're home from seeing HP5 in time.
Welcome, James! Feel free to post, vent, or ramble. Whatever suits your mood. We don't bite, and we sure as heck don't troll.
At one time I heard we were building at least 14 permanent bases in Iraq. We already know about the ghastly and expensive U.S. embassy building. Does anyone else think that's a sure sign we plan to be there for forever?
VT, I missed Olbermann on Tillman, but I was laughing and groaning at the TSA and government reports of "scary" items brought on airplanes. Will watch tonight, as youngest daughter and I want to watch J.K. Rowling...if we're home from seeing HP5 in time.
Welcome, James! Feel free to post, vent, or ramble. Whatever suits your mood. We don't bite, and we sure as heck don't troll.
Vaughn Tolle said:
Rox, agreed on the additional rationale.
The construction of permanent bases and the outrageous embassy compound will further aid in recruitment for al Qaeda and other Islamic groups, as the same represents an occupation of the area by the infidels. As you will recall, the presence of U.S. bases in Saudi Arabia was one of the reasons OBL gave for the actions of al Qaeda. While to us, the Crusades were a long time ago, to the locals, they just happened the day before yesterday, with the colonialization of the area by the Brits and French post-WWI just yesterday.
The piece on the TSA and its memo (very convenient timing on its "leaking", no?) caused me to groan as well, I'd just recovered from becoming physically ill from the Tillman report, so I was in a weakened state at the time. Found the replay of the J.K. Rowling interview (part 1) to be of some interest to the heretic here, who has not read any of the books nor seen any of the movies.
The construction of permanent bases and the outrageous embassy compound will further aid in recruitment for al Qaeda and other Islamic groups, as the same represents an occupation of the area by the infidels. As you will recall, the presence of U.S. bases in Saudi Arabia was one of the reasons OBL gave for the actions of al Qaeda. While to us, the Crusades were a long time ago, to the locals, they just happened the day before yesterday, with the colonialization of the area by the Brits and French post-WWI just yesterday.
The piece on the TSA and its memo (very convenient timing on its "leaking", no?) caused me to groan as well, I'd just recovered from becoming physically ill from the Tillman report, so I was in a weakened state at the time. Found the replay of the J.K. Rowling interview (part 1) to be of some interest to the heretic here, who has not read any of the books nor seen any of the movies.
Danny said:
Hello. I've not been lost. Just been busy. It's a very long story and not one that I'll likely ever share in any public forum. Needless to say, I believe some bridges to be burned and I don't even have the ashes to work with to repair them. So if I seem distant, or not commenting it is me trying to understand some people and figure out what exactly it is that they see.
James, I've not posted on Tracy's blog myself until now(at least I don't think I have), but I've talked to Tracy on several occasions. So welcome! I'll attempt to play the role of "resident evil" conservative dude. ;) I'll second Rox's last line at 1:09pm.
James, I've not posted on Tracy's blog myself until now(at least I don't think I have), but I've talked to Tracy on several occasions. So welcome! I'll attempt to play the role of "resident evil" conservative dude. ;) I'll second Rox's last line at 1:09pm.
Vaughn Tolle said:
Too funny. Aquafina to list on label: "tap water" as ingredient.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/07/27/pepsico.aquaf...
http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/07/27/pepsico.aquaf...
Vaughn Tolle said:
Well, just over to WEBlog for a bit, surprised ksgrm hasn't shown up with her plaint that the Congress needs to quit these "fishing expeditions" and go about its business to legislate under the current Gonzales thread. Gee, I bet she said the same thing in 1974 about the Watergate committee, and about the Iran-Contra committee. Wonder what she said about the Clinton impeachment debacle?
Tracy Phillips said:
Hooray, lurk no more, I command thee.
Damn I've been busy today, sheesh.
Yeah, Danny... we have disagreed without tensions.
It's not that hard to do.
And, I'm not that far to the left on everything.
I've been a Lou Dobbs "war-on-the-middle-class" fan for some time.
Strong fiscal conservative.
Liberal concerning religion.
VT, another funny one.....
actual label:
HONEY--MADE BY BEES.
Another one, a sign for generic label beer:
BEER....ask for it by name!
HA!
Damn I've been busy today, sheesh.
Yeah, Danny... we have disagreed without tensions.
It's not that hard to do.
And, I'm not that far to the left on everything.
I've been a Lou Dobbs "war-on-the-middle-class" fan for some time.
Strong fiscal conservative.
Liberal concerning religion.
VT, another funny one.....
actual label:
HONEY--MADE BY BEES.
Another one, a sign for generic label beer:
BEER....ask for it by name!
HA!
Danny said:
Speaking of Tracy, how are you and your father doing? My comment above about the bridges has nothing to do with anyone here. It is a personal issue dealing with people close to me(currently or formerly, I don't know which at the moment).
Well, I have a few conservative leanings fiscal is definately one of those, like you I'm not judgemental regarding religion, have really only one socially conservative issue and it is how I view that said certain issue and the issues needing addressed to solve it. :D
Well, I have a few conservative leanings fiscal is definately one of those, like you I'm not judgemental regarding religion, have really only one socially conservative issue and it is how I view that said certain issue and the issues needing addressed to solve it. :D
Tracy Phillips said:
Thanks for asking, he just got out of the hospital again...but his $25,000 wheelchair is screwing up.
A couple of weeks ago mom & dad got a burger and went to the park to eat, the chair quits and I leave work to go to the rescue, the thing weighs somewhere around 700 lbs.
I gotta go check up on them shortly.
A couple of weeks ago mom & dad got a burger and went to the park to eat, the chair quits and I leave work to go to the rescue, the thing weighs somewhere around 700 lbs.
I gotta go check up on them shortly.
Rox said:
While doing research for a book, I stumbled on the following link regarding Kansas history. Some things I knew, others surprised me.
When you're bored, give it a click. :)
http://www.e-referencedesk.com/resources/state-his...
When you're bored, give it a click. :)
http://www.e-referencedesk.com/resources/state-his...
Rox said:
The Side of a Hill
Paul Simon
On the side of a hill
In a land called somewhere
A little boy lies asleep in the earth
While down in the valley a cruel war rages
And people forget what a childs life is worth
On the side of a hill a little cloud weeps
And waters the grave with its silent tears
While a soldier cleans and polishes a gun
That ended a life at the age of seven years
And the war rages on in a land called somewhere
And Generals order their men to kill
And to fight for a cause theyve long ago forgotten
While a little cloud weeps on the side of a hill
Paul Simon
On the side of a hill
In a land called somewhere
A little boy lies asleep in the earth
While down in the valley a cruel war rages
And people forget what a childs life is worth
On the side of a hill a little cloud weeps
And waters the grave with its silent tears
While a soldier cleans and polishes a gun
That ended a life at the age of seven years
And the war rages on in a land called somewhere
And Generals order their men to kill
And to fight for a cause theyve long ago forgotten
While a little cloud weeps on the side of a hill
Danny said:
Tracy,
That sucks. You'd expect $25k to just work. I'll keep you in my thoughts and prayers.
Rox,
There is much about Kansas history that is interesting. You'd think that being from and in Kansas it would be something that I'd know more(or we has Kansans) would care to know more about. But our busy lifestyles keep us from being able to learn about. I suspect then, in some way, another chapter ends and a new one begins.
In regards to your Paul Simon song(I assume song) interesting, I've not really listened to much from him other than the "You can call me Al" song, and I'm not really sure that is the name of it.
I posted the lyrics to a song I really like(a new one by Incubus) called Dig on a blog entry just a bit below this one. Sadly, my memory fails me in recalling the title or even anything about the blog other than it was lyrics.
That sucks. You'd expect $25k to just work. I'll keep you in my thoughts and prayers.
Rox,
There is much about Kansas history that is interesting. You'd think that being from and in Kansas it would be something that I'd know more(or we has Kansans) would care to know more about. But our busy lifestyles keep us from being able to learn about. I suspect then, in some way, another chapter ends and a new one begins.
In regards to your Paul Simon song(I assume song) interesting, I've not really listened to much from him other than the "You can call me Al" song, and I'm not really sure that is the name of it.
I posted the lyrics to a song I really like(a new one by Incubus) called Dig on a blog entry just a bit below this one. Sadly, my memory fails me in recalling the title or even anything about the blog other than it was lyrics.
Rox said:
Sorry, Danny, I'm not familiar with the songs of Incubus. (And I thought Strawberry Alarm Clock was a strange name for a band!)
Blame VT for the posting of the Paul Simon lyrics. The song is from 1963 and unknown to me, until I was looking for the lyrics to Scarborough Fair. The title was mentioned on Wikipedia as an anti-war song, so I looked it up. The lyrics just slammed into me, so I thought everyone should be slammed into. :)
Back to researching...
Blame VT for the posting of the Paul Simon lyrics. The song is from 1963 and unknown to me, until I was looking for the lyrics to Scarborough Fair. The title was mentioned on Wikipedia as an anti-war song, so I looked it up. The lyrics just slammed into me, so I thought everyone should be slammed into. :)
Back to researching...
Vaughn Tolle said:
Danny, back in the day as the earth was still cooling when I was in school, Kansas History was a state required course, normally taught in the 7th grade. When our elder was in 7th grade in USD 259, they had a unit on Kansas/Wichita history. As far as I know, the younger had nothing of the sort. Skimmed the timeline, and recalled some of the things listed (from 7th grade, no less!).
Danny said:
Vaughn,
I like that, when the earth was still cooling. Hehe. I suppose in the grand scheme of things Kansas history isn't the end all be all, but one would think being from Kansas it would be more than a blurb or a time line glance.
Rox,
I have a strange musical sense. I nearly like everything, and rarely does any music genre bother me. Though I don't like every song. I can't really describe what it is I like, but I dare say that if someone else listened to a collection of music I like there would be a definite something in common between them.
My current playlist consists of: Dig, Standing Outside a Broken Phone Booth With Money In My Hand(Primitive Radio Gods), Porcelain(Moby), Barely Breathing(Duncan Sheik), Clocks(Coldplay), Sour Girl(Stone Temple Pilots)... thats just a few. I think the thing in common is the slower beats they have.
I like that, when the earth was still cooling. Hehe. I suppose in the grand scheme of things Kansas history isn't the end all be all, but one would think being from Kansas it would be more than a blurb or a time line glance.
Rox,
I have a strange musical sense. I nearly like everything, and rarely does any music genre bother me. Though I don't like every song. I can't really describe what it is I like, but I dare say that if someone else listened to a collection of music I like there would be a definite something in common between them.
My current playlist consists of: Dig, Standing Outside a Broken Phone Booth With Money In My Hand(Primitive Radio Gods), Porcelain(Moby), Barely Breathing(Duncan Sheik), Clocks(Coldplay), Sour Girl(Stone Temple Pilots)... thats just a few. I think the thing in common is the slower beats they have.
Rox said:
VT, try and take it easy over the weekend.
Danny, my music listening is a bit eclectic, too, although I haven't listened to anything "new" for about 10 years. Okay, Country music doesn't count in that 10 year period, but I stopped listening to it about 7 years ago, so...
I never thought I liked Jazz until I heard it on NPR in the evenings. I have my favorite Classical. I mostly listen to 60's - 80's, I guess it would be. I even like Big Band music, probably because my parents played it. I really should try some of the newer stuff you mentioned. I've heard many say how good some of it is. Just please don't make me listen to Rap and that kind. ;)
Danny, my music listening is a bit eclectic, too, although I haven't listened to anything "new" for about 10 years. Okay, Country music doesn't count in that 10 year period, but I stopped listening to it about 7 years ago, so...
I never thought I liked Jazz until I heard it on NPR in the evenings. I have my favorite Classical. I mostly listen to 60's - 80's, I guess it would be. I even like Big Band music, probably because my parents played it. I really should try some of the newer stuff you mentioned. I've heard many say how good some of it is. Just please don't make me listen to Rap and that kind. ;)
Vaughn Tolle said:
Danny, I don't personally listen to Rap or Hip Hop, and for those who do, that's OK, so long as I'm not forced to hear it involuntarily. BTW, that's how I feel about overly amplified "music" of any kind; I object to being forced to listed to, say, Bach's Fifth Brandenburg Concerto as much as I object to being forced to listed to whatever comes out of the mouth of the latest rapper to hit the big time.
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