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TODAY'S TIMES

BORROWED OPINIONS
August 2, 2007
Editorial

America’s Most Coddled

Senator Charles Schumer got partway off the fence this week on the issue of whether the most highly paid Americans — mainly partners at hedge funds and private equity firms — should continue to enjoy a super-low tax rate. Currently, at a typical hedge fund or private equity firm, partners pay a flat tax of 15 percent on most of their mega-earnings. Salaried employees and wage earners — the majority of the work force — face income tax rates as high as 35 percent.

Mr. Schumer’s position, outlined by the New York Democrat during a recent interview with Times reporters and in a Senate hearing on Tuesday, is that it would be unwise and unfair to support a tax increase on financial firms unless it is also applied to other partnerships that get the same tax break, such as those in the oil and gas and real estate industries.

Fine. In that case, Mr. Schumer should lead an effort to persuade his colleagues that proposals to raise taxes on private equity firms do not go far enough. As a longtime champion of Wall Street, Mr. Schumer has the credibility to call for real change. He is also a member of the finance and banking committees, which have jurisdiction over the issue.

Showing such leadership could help dispel the sense that Mr. Schumer does not want to challenge the industries he has assiduously courted as chairman of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee. He has raised large sums from the hedge fund and private equity industries — $1 million June alone.

That money may help get more Democrats elected to the Senate, but at a price. The donors’ super-low tax rates mock Democratic Party values of equity and progressivity and, by extension, the politicians who allow those rates to persist. Left unchanged, they will also make it more difficult for the Democratic-controlled Congress to raise enough revenue to achieve its stated goals of expanded health care, better education and lasting relief from the alternative minimum tax for the middle class.

Tweaking the tax bills of the richest 1 percent of Americans, an idea Mr. Schumer has spoken of approvingly, simply won’t be enough. And it would skirt the core issue. There is no compelling tax policy argument in favor of the low tax rate enjoyed by the partnerships now under scrutiny.

gster said:
 
I'm certainly no tax guy, but don't the loop holes purchased by big business add to a larger number than what might be gained by soaking the super-rich ( a good idea IMHO)? I've seen some of the taxes paid by some big businesses(?), and someting was definately tilted in their favor (big surprise). I agree you don't want to tax industry to death, but surely a more equiable system can/should be developed. ??
 
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Vaughn Tolle said:
 
Gster, in response to your first question, "Yes".

How hedge fund traders, et al are taxed at such a low rate? Arcane stuff here, but think "Capital Gains" and "Partnerships".

Finally, a more equitable system must be devised. There are many associated issues therewith that are NOT tax related that, due to our laws, are intertwined with any serious reform. These include domestic social policy, foreign relations, economic stimulus, etc., all of which have little relationship to the primary reason a government imposes taxes, namely the raising of revenue for the operation of the government.
 
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Danny said:
 
Gster,

I think everybody should pay the same percentage tax. That will never happen, so I suppose there has to be something equally effective and equally favored by all.
 
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Danny, agreed.
 
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lindainks55 said:
 
I want to be sure there is protection for the working poor (more numerous daily), the catastrophic out-of-pocket medical expenses, uninsured losses -- the types of tradgedy that may happen to anyone. I don't approve of all the loopholes and would like to see them reduced dramatically but feel some are needed.

One more thing, why are we penalized for saving but rewarded for being in debt? Seems bassakwards to me.
 
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Vaughn Tolle said:
 
Linda, the genesis of the various provisions of the current IRC to which you refer arises from the 1939 enactment of the Code. At that time, the country was still reeling from the Depression. Thus, it was logical (to raise revenue) to tax interest and dividend income (as primarily, these income sources were reserved to the "wealthy"). Also, it was logical to encourage home ownership, as an incentive to the construction industry to build more houses (employ folks to build the houses), thus the home mortgage deduction. Encouraging more home construction also had a ripple effect in that more lumber would be needed (employment of folks to cut the trees, then folks at the mills to convert the raw timber into lumber). Thus, an earlier comment somewhere about social policy and economic stimulus.

The tax code currently does not reward consumer debt as it once did, with the elimination of "personal interest" from interest which may be deducted for income tax purposes. BTW, the deduction for credit card, etc., interest was included in the Code in the 1960s, as I recall, as a way to try to stimulate consumer purchasing, a part of the total approach of the Kennedy administration to pull the economy out of its late-Eisenhower stupor.

BTW, a nit to pick with the piece posted to start this discussion. Partnerships don't pay income tax; never have. Partnerships are so-called "flow through" entities, that is, the income and deductions flow through to the partners to be reported on their individual income tax returns. Arcane stuff, but wanted to point out the misstatement.
 
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Danny said:
 
Vaughn,

Did I ever mention I hate doing taxes? Granted, not as bad because I use turbo tax, but I still hate doing taxes.
 
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Vaughn Tolle said:
 
Danny, for a reasonable fee, I can relieve you of that. :-)
 
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Danny said:
 
Vaughn,

I may take you up on that offer also.
 
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lindainks55 said:
 
We all pay a lot in taxes, even the working poor who pay little in income tax but a great percentage of their income in other taxes (sales...) and yet the infrastructure in America is maintained so well we have bridges fall down. This world is topsy turvy!
 
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Vaughn Tolle said:
 
Linda, the perverse thing about all this is that according to some expert on the telly this morning, it is actually cheaper to replace a bridge once it collapses rather than to incur the ongoing expenditures to keep it maintained. Thus, the taxpayers get a better "deal".

 
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Danny said:
 
All,

I was watching some show on the Discovery channel(sadly I don't recall the name of the show), but they were talking about bridge failures and said something to the effect that bridges are designed and made as an afterthought to keep costs low.

Seriously, if that statement is true(and I suspect it may well be because construction work is sent to the lowest bidder) then does this indicate that all of our bridges and overpasses are unsafe? Probably not, as the number of bridges that collapse compared to the number that we have in place is relatively small.

However, perhaps it is more an indication of problems in the inspection/testing process? I don't know the answers though, I'm no civil engineer. So, I'm not sure that we would have necessarily caught problems in advance if more money were spent.

Vaughn,

So, what the "expert" is saying, its ok to lose/risk some lives because we save a little in money in maintenance costs? Can I say it? WTF! I'm sorry, it is understandable to have risks, even with the best in maintenance I know errors occur and things are overlooked/missed. But the costs should be assumed to have to need to be spent.
 
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Vaughn Tolle said:
 
Danny, he wasn't saying that at all, and if I left the impression that he was, I apologize. He said it in a rueful manner as he was discussing the problems which have arisen with state legislatures (and the Congress) funding road, bridge, other infrastructure maintenance at the appropriate level.
 
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Danny said:
 
Vaughn,

Whew. I am glad to be corrected on that issue!
 
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Danny said:
 
Vaughn,

After further reflection on the statement, I don't really know quite why I interpreted the statement the way I did. Oh well, as I said above, glad to be corrected on it though.
 
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