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Robert McNamara's 11 lessons from Vietnam
• We misjudged then — and we have since — the geopolitical intentions of our adversaries … and we exaggerated the dangers to the United States of their actions.
• We viewed the people and leaders of South Vietnam in terms of our own experience … We totally misjudged the political forces within the country.
• We underestimated the power of nationalism to motivate a people to fight and die for their beliefs and values.
• Our judgments of friend and foe alike reflected our profound ignorance of the history, culture, and politics of the people in the area, and the personalities and habits of their leaders.
• We failed then — and have since — to recognize the limitations of modern, high-technology military equipment, forces and doctrine…
• We failed as well to adapt our military tactics to the task of winning the hearts and minds of people from a totally different culture.
• We failed to draw Congress and the American people into a full and frank discussion and debate of the pros and cons of a large-scale military involvement … before we initiated the action.
• After the action got under way and unanticipated events forced us off our planned course … we did not fully explain what was happening and why we were doing what we did.
• We did not recognize that neither our people nor our leaders are omniscient. Our judgment of what is in another people's or country's best interest should be put to the test of open discussion in international forums. We do not have the God-given right to shape every nation in our image or as we choose.
• We did not hold to the principle that U.S. military action … should be carried out only in conjunction with multinational forces supported fully (and not merely cosmetically) by the international community.
• We failed to recognize that in international affairs, as in other aspects of life, there may be problems for which there are no immediate solutions … At times, we may have to live with an imperfect, untidy world.
• Underlying many of these errors lay our failure to organize the top echelons of the executive branch to deal effectively with the extraordinarily complex range of political and military issues.

McNamara's additional ten lessons

  1. The human race will not eliminate war in this century but we can reduce war, the level of killing, by adhering to the principles of a just war, in particular of proportionality.
  2. The indefinite combinations of human fallibility and nuclear weapons will lead to the destruction of nations.
  3. We are the most powerful nation in the world — economically, politically, and militarily — and we are likely to remain so for decades ahead. But we are not omniscient. If we cannot persuade other nations with similar interests and similar values of the merits of the proposed use of that power, we should not proceed unilaterally except in the unlikely requirement to defend the continental US, Alaska and Hawaii.
  4. Moral principles are often ambiguous guides to foreign policy and defense policy, but surely we can agree that we should establish as a major goal of U.S. foreign policy and, indeed, of foreign policy across the globe : the avoidance in this century of the carnage — 160 million dead — caused by conflict in the 20th century.
  5. We, the richest nation in the world, have failed in our responsibility to our own poor and to the disadvantaged across the world to help them advance their welfare in the most fundamental terms of nutrition, literacy, health, and employment.
  6. Corporate executives must recognize there is no contradiction between a soft heart and a hard head. Of course, they have responsibilities to their employees, their customers and to society as a whole.
  7. President Kennedy believed a primary responsibility of a president — indeed "the" primary responsibility of a president — is to keep the nation out of war, if at all possible.
  8. War is a blunt instrument by which to settle disputes between or within nations, and economic sanctions are rarely effective. Therefore, we should build a system of jurisprudence based on the International Court — that the U.S. has refused to support — which would hold individuals responsible for crimes against humanity.
  9. If we are to deal effectively with terrorists across the globe, we must develop a sense of empathy — I don't mean "sympathy" but rather "understanding" to counter their attacks on us and the Western World.
  10. One of the greatest dangers we face today is the risk of mass destruction as a result of the breakdown of the Non-Proliferation Regime. We — the U.S. — are contributing to that breakdown.
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Rox said:
 
#8 in the additional is definitely something to pay attention to. We (the U.S.) don't own the world, yet we seem to think we can run it. So far, we haven't done so well, and unless we face the facts and make some major changes, we never will.
 
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gster said:
 
These are good points, but I don't think anything would be different if Bush read them prior to executing "Operation Fiasco": there's too many BIG words and not nearly enough pictures to hold his attention. A cartoon format might be more appropriate.
 
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Vaughn Tolle said:
 
Well, Tracy, Mr. MacNamara's reflections ring oh, so hauntingly, true. The advantage of the passage of time concerning great errors made by the "Whiz Kids" in the 1960s. Lessons learned, but not by all to be sure. I'd be very surprised if any of the Neo-con group so Hell bent on U.S. hegemony gained through the exercise of power have read these, or if they had, the points were viewed as other than comedy. After all, they would say, Iraq isn't Viet Nam. After all, they would go on to say, we know better and wouldn't have fouled Viet Nam up the way the Democrats did (conveniently forgetting the role of RMN and Dr. Kissinger).

Sadly, as the miles roll by on my personal odometer, I've come to the conclusion that each generation must make its own mistakes, even though the same are merely a repeat of the prior generation's mistakes. While this is sometimes a rueful observation when it comes to raising a family, once the mistakes occupy something as crucial as going to war, it seems we, as a people, should do better.

I oft wonder if the highly trained technocrats (those whose undergraduate degrees are highly specialized, with little to no exposure to the traditional subjects of the "liberal arts") that seem epidemic these days shouldn't be relegated to their little niche, with those who have studied the humanities, the social sciences, the natural sciences (including mathematics), and the fine arts all as required for an undergraduate degree in the liberal arts being allowed to be the leaders. This might sound a bit hypocritical coming from one who majored, as an undergraduate, in Business and Accounting. In my defense, "back in the day", KU required of all Business majors (including Accounting majors) a minimum of 60 hours in the "liberal arts" as a graduation requirement. I'm not sure that is true today.
 
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Vaughn Tolle said:
 
Oops, McNamara, not MacNamara. How the typos increase when one's brain is at the point of fatigue.
 
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Rox said:
 
If we can't learn from history (personal, national, world, etc.), what can we learn from? History is full of mistakes. (Believe me, my personal history is! >g< The best lessons are those learned the hard way...by mistakes.) The only reply I can think of is the one about the definition of insanity...doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
 
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