Julie said:
I was very rudely and abruptly awoken by a very cute (not that I'm prejudiced) 4 year old playing with my nose and lips. She was scared of the lightening and wanted come sleep in my bed. Well, she never did sleep and after much poking and prodding and pinching and scratching of my legs, arms and fingers - I told her to go back to her bed.
I never did get back to sleep myself and have a late night tonight followed by a 4 am wake up tomorrow (MM needs to check in by 5:30).
In my new office I will make sure to have an easy chair or a cot to sleep in. (We move offices in February - unless they move it back AGAIN. We were supposed to be in by now.)
Just ignore me. I'm tired and irritable.
I never did get back to sleep myself and have a late night tonight followed by a 4 am wake up tomorrow (MM needs to check in by 5:30).
In my new office I will make sure to have an easy chair or a cot to sleep in. (We move offices in February - unless they move it back AGAIN. We were supposed to be in by now.)
Just ignore me. I'm tired and irritable.
Vaughn Tolle said:
Oh, Julie, you have my sympathies, as well as my being VERY happy those days are long in the past....
gster, I hope you didn't ride the "bike" today; from the forecast, not only did you likely become super saturated this morning (depending upon how early you have to get on the road), but this afternoon will prove worse.
All; looking at the latest radar, I'm certain we're going to be "hit" again with thunder, lightning, and rain within the next hour; those reds among the yellows and oranges are concerning me.
gster, I hope you didn't ride the "bike" today; from the forecast, not only did you likely become super saturated this morning (depending upon how early you have to get on the road), but this afternoon will prove worse.
All; looking at the latest radar, I'm certain we're going to be "hit" again with thunder, lightning, and rain within the next hour; those reds among the yellows and oranges are concerning me.
lindainks55 said:
Julie, if this is how tired and irritable sounds, I NEED LESSONS! All who must be around when I'm tired and irritable will be your slaves for life!
lindainks55 said:
Who would have known all I needed was an automatic sprinkler system installed to break the dry cycle? Worked much better than washing the car.
Julie, thanks for sharing the sweet story of that adorable four year old. It is really fun to look back to the memories.
Julie, thanks for sharing the sweet story of that adorable four year old. It is really fun to look back to the memories.
gster said:
VT- No way, I learned the hard way during the rinse cycle I experienced on 135 Friday. Like Chester A. Riley said "What a revoltin' development " that was.
I'm working on a cyclesnorkle for the next water adventure.
I'm working on a cyclesnorkle for the next water adventure.
Wendy said:
Well, since the fiancee already flooded out my car on Sunday, I don't suppose the rain today will do too much to us. However, we do have a 430 flight out of here to head to Miami for my sisters wedding, so if everyone could keep their fingers crossed for a break in the weather between say 4 and 530, it would be greatly appreciated!
Rox said:
Wendy, fingers crossed for you here.
Julie, not only do I remember those days, I sometimes still live them. I've found that tiny catnaps help shortterm. Lay your head on your desk, if that's all that's available. Oh, and by short, I mean 2 or 3 minutes. Just hope you don't really fall asleep! Doesn't happen here. Someone is bound to wake me up before I reach 5 minutes. :)
Dang, gster, you need a water cycle! Take care!
Stay as dry as possible, everyone. Unless you like looking like a drowned rat. In that case, enjoy!
Julie, not only do I remember those days, I sometimes still live them. I've found that tiny catnaps help shortterm. Lay your head on your desk, if that's all that's available. Oh, and by short, I mean 2 or 3 minutes. Just hope you don't really fall asleep! Doesn't happen here. Someone is bound to wake me up before I reach 5 minutes. :)
Dang, gster, you need a water cycle! Take care!
Stay as dry as possible, everyone. Unless you like looking like a drowned rat. In that case, enjoy!
Vaughn Tolle said:
A plea to those with daughters (or granddaughters). At Site Council last night, we became involved in a discussion of the wonderful opportunities being provided to female students with an interest in math and the sciences by the Engineering programs at the three major Regents' Universities here in Kansas. The Science Department Chair related a story that caused me to be upset a bit; in meeting with the female students in his two intro classes of Chemistry Survey (a long story there about the incompetence of 259, but I'll save it for later) he bluntly asked them "How many of you think that the boys are smarter than you in math and science?". While it was only one, one young woman held her hand up.
WTF? I thought these attitudes had gone the way of the dodo. Please, let your daughters know that it's OK to be good in math, good in science, and not take any stuff from the males in these areas. We, as a nation, need to encourage all students with interests in these areas, given the decline in enrollment in math, sciences, and Engineering both at the undergraduate and graduate levels, not just the male ones.
Let them know that they, too, can intimidate the males, based upon the story we were told when our elder was a Senior. A Junior male student (who was the Valedictorian of his class) was refusing to enroll in Physics, although that was the class in which he should enroll. When pressed for a reason, he said "It's because Kelly (our elder) is in that class, and she intimidates me!". Little sympathy was given by the counselor (a female math teacher in another life), who shamed him into enrolling in Physics, where he did quite well. I'd heard stories about how females were intimidated by their male colleagues in math and science classes before, but this was a first for me (as it was for the counselor, who couldn't keep a straight face while telling my wife and me this story). So, let your (grand)daughters know that they, too, can (and should) intimidate their male colleagues. It's healthy for all concerned.
WTF? I thought these attitudes had gone the way of the dodo. Please, let your daughters know that it's OK to be good in math, good in science, and not take any stuff from the males in these areas. We, as a nation, need to encourage all students with interests in these areas, given the decline in enrollment in math, sciences, and Engineering both at the undergraduate and graduate levels, not just the male ones.
Let them know that they, too, can intimidate the males, based upon the story we were told when our elder was a Senior. A Junior male student (who was the Valedictorian of his class) was refusing to enroll in Physics, although that was the class in which he should enroll. When pressed for a reason, he said "It's because Kelly (our elder) is in that class, and she intimidates me!". Little sympathy was given by the counselor (a female math teacher in another life), who shamed him into enrolling in Physics, where he did quite well. I'd heard stories about how females were intimidated by their male colleagues in math and science classes before, but this was a first for me (as it was for the counselor, who couldn't keep a straight face while telling my wife and me this story). So, let your (grand)daughters know that they, too, can (and should) intimidate their male colleagues. It's healthy for all concerned.
Vaughn Tolle said:
Now, on to the incompetence of USD 259. Once upon a time, there were two courses offered as a part of the science curriculum in the district; Physical Science and Honors Physical Science, in which (typically Freshman) students were presented the basics of Physics and a bit of Chemistry. At NEMHS, the Science Magnet students were required to take Honors Physical Science, and the Art and Law Magnet students were required to take Physical Science, not as a graduation requirement as such, but to receive the "magnet certificate". All was well in the world.
It came to pass that there were students who were not enrolling/passing these courses, and the District was not pleased. So, it created a proposed class known as "Physical Science Survey", to be taken by students, and submitted the same to the state for its blessing (eligible for high school science credit). The State, angered by the lack of any rigor in the proposed curriculum, displayed its wrath by stating that any student who enrolled in this class would not receive a science credit therefor, and further (in light of the laughable content of the proposed class) decreed that no one in 259 that took any class with "Physical Science" in its name would receive such credit either.
So, the building administrators set to work. There were, after all, state Science Assessments to be dealt with every so often, and the students needed to have some exposure to science. At some sites, Biology became the Freshman course, followed by Chemistry as a Sophomore, and Physics as a Junior course. At NEMHS, it is the feeling of the faculty that in order to understand higher level Biology concepts, it is necessary to have some foundation in Chemistry before Biology is taken. Therefore, a course denominated "Introduction to Chemistry Survey" has been assembled and received the blessing of the State. Biology shall continue to be a Sophomore course, Chemistry a Junior Course, with Physics as the Senior course (or second semester Junior course, given the modified 4X4 block schedule, if Chem is completed in the Fall).
The State Science Assessments will, however, continue to seek knowledge of basic Physics. I understand this assessment is to be given in the Junior year. Thus, the shift down of the science classes at certain sites. NEMHS will attack this by presenting the core Physics concepts in certain other courses offered to the Science magnet students (open on a space available basis to students in other magnets) in the two tracks within the Science magnet; the pre-engineering track or the biomedical track (a/k/a the "Anatomy and Physiology" track). All will be well.
Does it anger anyone else about the actions of the District in taking the time and expending resources to create the "Physical Science Survey" class found wanting by the state, which then resulted in the "decertification" of two perfectly good science courses, causing the shift (at some sites) in the science curriculum or, at NEMHS, at least, the need to create another class to add to the curriculum? They're (Downtown) all bloody incompetent, I say.
/Rant
It came to pass that there were students who were not enrolling/passing these courses, and the District was not pleased. So, it created a proposed class known as "Physical Science Survey", to be taken by students, and submitted the same to the state for its blessing (eligible for high school science credit). The State, angered by the lack of any rigor in the proposed curriculum, displayed its wrath by stating that any student who enrolled in this class would not receive a science credit therefor, and further (in light of the laughable content of the proposed class) decreed that no one in 259 that took any class with "Physical Science" in its name would receive such credit either.
So, the building administrators set to work. There were, after all, state Science Assessments to be dealt with every so often, and the students needed to have some exposure to science. At some sites, Biology became the Freshman course, followed by Chemistry as a Sophomore, and Physics as a Junior course. At NEMHS, it is the feeling of the faculty that in order to understand higher level Biology concepts, it is necessary to have some foundation in Chemistry before Biology is taken. Therefore, a course denominated "Introduction to Chemistry Survey" has been assembled and received the blessing of the State. Biology shall continue to be a Sophomore course, Chemistry a Junior Course, with Physics as the Senior course (or second semester Junior course, given the modified 4X4 block schedule, if Chem is completed in the Fall).
The State Science Assessments will, however, continue to seek knowledge of basic Physics. I understand this assessment is to be given in the Junior year. Thus, the shift down of the science classes at certain sites. NEMHS will attack this by presenting the core Physics concepts in certain other courses offered to the Science magnet students (open on a space available basis to students in other magnets) in the two tracks within the Science magnet; the pre-engineering track or the biomedical track (a/k/a the "Anatomy and Physiology" track). All will be well.
Does it anger anyone else about the actions of the District in taking the time and expending resources to create the "Physical Science Survey" class found wanting by the state, which then resulted in the "decertification" of two perfectly good science courses, causing the shift (at some sites) in the science curriculum or, at NEMHS, at least, the need to create another class to add to the curriculum? They're (Downtown) all bloody incompetent, I say.
/Rant
Danny said:
Vaughn,
The only way I know to attack that problem is to look at multiple things: parents, schools, teachers, and society. Given that, parents can affect a lot of change in how their daughters will perceive themselves as related to boys in math and science. I think the key is that it needs to start young.
In that sense, it is why I'll build robots with my daughters as they get older. Sure, the Mindstorms robots are 'toys' in comparison but they do have potential and the limitation is really in the builder. My 2.5 year old and I built one together. It isn't perfect, but I want her to be willing to learn and give the guys a run for the money if she so chooses to go that route(engineering, sciences, math, or what ever else she deems she will pursue). Just start young and encourage them.
The only way I know to attack that problem is to look at multiple things: parents, schools, teachers, and society. Given that, parents can affect a lot of change in how their daughters will perceive themselves as related to boys in math and science. I think the key is that it needs to start young.
In that sense, it is why I'll build robots with my daughters as they get older. Sure, the Mindstorms robots are 'toys' in comparison but they do have potential and the limitation is really in the builder. My 2.5 year old and I built one together. It isn't perfect, but I want her to be willing to learn and give the guys a run for the money if she so chooses to go that route(engineering, sciences, math, or what ever else she deems she will pursue). Just start young and encourage them.
Vaughn Tolle said:
Danny, you are quite correct; start young (in our case with Duplos then Legos) and encourage them.
Part of my passion on this is related to the fact that my mother was a Chemistry major in college (1945 - 1949), and had many tales to tell of being the only female in classes full of returning WWII vets, how she was treated, etc. Then, of course, with two daughters, it, like Topsy, just "growed".
Part of my passion on this is related to the fact that my mother was a Chemistry major in college (1945 - 1949), and had many tales to tell of being the only female in classes full of returning WWII vets, how she was treated, etc. Then, of course, with two daughters, it, like Topsy, just "growed".
Rox said:
VT, I'm always happy when they're good at anything! Dumbfounded when it's math and science, considering my own problems with both, but rather thrilled.
Vaughn Tolle said:
Not to mention the fact that my wife was a Math major for a while at KU, before things happened, and she then moved to becoming an Accounting major (one of 9 women total (graduate and undergraduate) in the School of Business when we first met).
Danny said:
Vaughn,
Don't think too less of me for pointing this out, I've read legitimate studies showing that boys do have a better grasp of math, engineering, and certain sciences than girls. The conclusion the studies drew was that boys generally seem better wired when dealing with logic based information, where girls seem better wired to grasp language and communication.
They did go on pointing to studies showing that the best of the best in sexes, and pointing out that boys did better in math/science style courses and girls did better in English/language/psychology style courses. I don't know that studies like that should be performed, because if there is truth in the statement(that there are differences like stated above) is it going to further cause girls to think they are inferior in math/science?
Don't think too less of me for pointing this out, I've read legitimate studies showing that boys do have a better grasp of math, engineering, and certain sciences than girls. The conclusion the studies drew was that boys generally seem better wired when dealing with logic based information, where girls seem better wired to grasp language and communication.
They did go on pointing to studies showing that the best of the best in sexes, and pointing out that boys did better in math/science style courses and girls did better in English/language/psychology style courses. I don't know that studies like that should be performed, because if there is truth in the statement(that there are differences like stated above) is it going to further cause girls to think they are inferior in math/science?
Danny said:
I think this page, shows a little of what I said, but the link they provided to the paper is broken now.
http://www.gnxp.com/MT2/archives/002116.html
this was another one:
http://sitemaker.umich.edu/short.356/math_educatio...
a counter point argument to what I said above is found here:
http://www.news.uiuc.edu/news/06/0220mathdivide.ht...
Which is why I think, as I said firstly, is that parents can affect the change necessary to instill in their daughters the ability and desire, if the daughter so chooses, to do well in math, science, and whatever it is that they choose.
http://www.gnxp.com/MT2/archives/002116.html
this was another one:
http://sitemaker.umich.edu/short.356/math_educatio...
a counter point argument to what I said above is found here:
http://www.news.uiuc.edu/news/06/0220mathdivide.ht...
Which is why I think, as I said firstly, is that parents can affect the change necessary to instill in their daughters the ability and desire, if the daughter so chooses, to do well in math, science, and whatever it is that they choose.
Vaughn Tolle said:
Danny, I'm not thinking less of you for your post. I'm aware of these studies, and the conclusions which may be drawn from the same. And, I'm not saying that they are wrong in any way.
It appears that the branch of science attracting the most females is Biology, or the Life Sciences if one wishes to broaden the terminology. It will be interesting to observe what happens as the multi-disciplinary approach to the Life Sciences continues to grow (e.g., BioPhysics; BioChem; Bioinformatics; Biostatistics, etc.). The elder, as part of her Biomedical Engineering graduate work, was working with Ph.D candidates in Physics as they were trying to ascertain at the subatomic level what was happening with respect to certain organic reactions, going "down" to the quantum level in fact. The attempts were directed at producing a mathematical model which could "predict" the actions.
As to whether such studies should be performed? I'm sure Dr. Summers, former President of Harvard University, might have an opinion on that. :-)
It appears that the branch of science attracting the most females is Biology, or the Life Sciences if one wishes to broaden the terminology. It will be interesting to observe what happens as the multi-disciplinary approach to the Life Sciences continues to grow (e.g., BioPhysics; BioChem; Bioinformatics; Biostatistics, etc.). The elder, as part of her Biomedical Engineering graduate work, was working with Ph.D candidates in Physics as they were trying to ascertain at the subatomic level what was happening with respect to certain organic reactions, going "down" to the quantum level in fact. The attempts were directed at producing a mathematical model which could "predict" the actions.
As to whether such studies should be performed? I'm sure Dr. Summers, former President of Harvard University, might have an opinion on that. :-)
Danny said:
Vaughn,
I believe they should be performed(studies that is), but then it should be up to the parents to not allow this discourage their daughters. Grandparents shouldn't allow it to discourage their granddaughters, so on and so forth. I think in reality, the parents influence their children either positively or negatively.
I've watched the game show the power of 10(or whatever it is called), and they had a question on it, what percentage of Americans would consider to encourage their daughters to pursue X(I don't recall what X was)? Where X is something that is generally thought of as being something only for males. I was surprised to see how many wouldn't allow/encourage their daughters to do that. Something around 60+ percent.
That is where I think the problem is largely present at. Then add in biological differences and maybe we really do see why less girls pursue math, science, engineering, and other traditionally male dominated fields.
I believe they should be performed(studies that is), but then it should be up to the parents to not allow this discourage their daughters. Grandparents shouldn't allow it to discourage their granddaughters, so on and so forth. I think in reality, the parents influence their children either positively or negatively.
I've watched the game show the power of 10(or whatever it is called), and they had a question on it, what percentage of Americans would consider to encourage their daughters to pursue X(I don't recall what X was)? Where X is something that is generally thought of as being something only for males. I was surprised to see how many wouldn't allow/encourage their daughters to do that. Something around 60+ percent.
That is where I think the problem is largely present at. Then add in biological differences and maybe we really do see why less girls pursue math, science, engineering, and other traditionally male dominated fields.
Vaughn Tolle said:
Danny, I agree with you that the problem is with attitudes towards math and science as promulgated towards the children from the parents and others. Thus, the efforts of the universities as posted above to attract young women into these areas where they are "under represented".
Vaughn Tolle said:
Returning a bit to the Wetness theme, there looks to be a real interesting line of storms developing to the West and Southwest; could be nasty in an hour or two.
Danny said:
I like thunderstorms. :D I don't know why, but I do.
Now, a funny little story. Prior to when my wife and I were married, she and I were playing cards with a few friends. She was shuffling the cards, and I saw the flash of lightning. Those of us from Kansas knew exactly what was going to follow so it didn't phase us. Suddenly there is this big boom, one person jumping from sitting position to nearly hitting the ceiling and cards flying everywhere! That was my wife. :D Fun times.
Now, a funny little story. Prior to when my wife and I were married, she and I were playing cards with a few friends. She was shuffling the cards, and I saw the flash of lightning. Those of us from Kansas knew exactly what was going to follow so it didn't phase us. Suddenly there is this big boom, one person jumping from sitting position to nearly hitting the ceiling and cards flying everywhere! That was my wife. :D Fun times.
lindainks55 said:
I thought some of you might enjoy reading an email I recently received from my son-in-law (husband to oldest daughter Tonya, father to Andrew, Alex, Adam, Austin and Madeline). He has been my son-in-law for 21 years but his feet were under our dinner table for seven years before the marriage so it almost seemed our two oldest children were being married that day in June of 1986. Here's what he had to say:
Now that you're comfortably sixt, er, twenty-nine again, I wanted to remind you of the wonderful things I, and the Republican Party, have brought to you during your lifetime (in no particular order, certainly not importance):
John Foster Dulles, who as Secretary of State, threatened to "roll back" communism, even if the U.S. needed to do so with nuclear weapons!
Five wonderful grandchildren, four of them who speak on a regular basis.
Dwight D. Eisenhower, Kansas-raised, and the only person (save John Bobbitt) who answered to a wife named Maime (you have to slowly sound that one out!)
Five wonderful grandchildren, one of whom somehow managed to morph into a female, while you were watching, and is your, and your mother's namesake
Richard Nixon, who helped end a war he desperately wanted to continue, and who ended a presidency which he desperately wanted to turn into a dictatorship
Five wonderful grandchildren, one of whom you equipped with a drum set!? #$!@%
Gerald Ford, who was the only 60s holdover to still be trippin' during the 70s, and made pardon me more than just a pleasantry uttered when falling
Five wonderful grandchildren, one of whom is probably at this very moment rewiring your house, hacking into the Dept. of Defense's server, and earning better grades by showing his dimples to a female teacher.
Ronald Reagan, who declared it was morning in America, and then proceeded to turn out the lights on the Soviet Union; he spent almost all of his presidency as a septagenar, a sectgenar, a septoginar, a really older person (perhaps the presidency awaits you in another 40 years!)
Five wonderful grandchildren, one of whom is a talented graphic designer who lives in a Washington where people don't impugn and attack each other on a daily basis, but do have to watch out for a neighboring senator who possesses a "wide stance."
And then there's Dubya (see Richard Nixon?); some argue he'll leave one of the worst presidential legacies ever recorded; you value him as the perfect whipping boy while you brainwash said wonderful grandchildren into becoming Democrats - you can keep on trying, but eventually, their common sense will sway them to the right!
As for Tonya and I, don't worry about the daughter and son-in-law who presented you with those five wonderful grandchildren, they'll continue to cancel each other out on election day, and continue to appreciate the role you play in our lives, which is apolitical, unconditional, and invaluable. For that, you may continue to help raise these children for many more 29th birthdays, regardless of your crazy liberal beliefs. Now can I start in on the Democrats who've been around during your lifetime . . .? You're right, not enough time . . .
With Love,
Steve
Now that you're comfortably sixt, er, twenty-nine again, I wanted to remind you of the wonderful things I, and the Republican Party, have brought to you during your lifetime (in no particular order, certainly not importance):
John Foster Dulles, who as Secretary of State, threatened to "roll back" communism, even if the U.S. needed to do so with nuclear weapons!
Five wonderful grandchildren, four of them who speak on a regular basis.
Dwight D. Eisenhower, Kansas-raised, and the only person (save John Bobbitt) who answered to a wife named Maime (you have to slowly sound that one out!)
Five wonderful grandchildren, one of whom somehow managed to morph into a female, while you were watching, and is your, and your mother's namesake
Richard Nixon, who helped end a war he desperately wanted to continue, and who ended a presidency which he desperately wanted to turn into a dictatorship
Five wonderful grandchildren, one of whom you equipped with a drum set!? #$!@%
Gerald Ford, who was the only 60s holdover to still be trippin' during the 70s, and made pardon me more than just a pleasantry uttered when falling
Five wonderful grandchildren, one of whom is probably at this very moment rewiring your house, hacking into the Dept. of Defense's server, and earning better grades by showing his dimples to a female teacher.
Ronald Reagan, who declared it was morning in America, and then proceeded to turn out the lights on the Soviet Union; he spent almost all of his presidency as a septagenar, a sectgenar, a septoginar, a really older person (perhaps the presidency awaits you in another 40 years!)
Five wonderful grandchildren, one of whom is a talented graphic designer who lives in a Washington where people don't impugn and attack each other on a daily basis, but do have to watch out for a neighboring senator who possesses a "wide stance."
And then there's Dubya (see Richard Nixon?); some argue he'll leave one of the worst presidential legacies ever recorded; you value him as the perfect whipping boy while you brainwash said wonderful grandchildren into becoming Democrats - you can keep on trying, but eventually, their common sense will sway them to the right!
As for Tonya and I, don't worry about the daughter and son-in-law who presented you with those five wonderful grandchildren, they'll continue to cancel each other out on election day, and continue to appreciate the role you play in our lives, which is apolitical, unconditional, and invaluable. For that, you may continue to help raise these children for many more 29th birthdays, regardless of your crazy liberal beliefs. Now can I start in on the Democrats who've been around during your lifetime . . .? You're right, not enough time . . .
With Love,
Steve
Danny said:
Linda,
So is Steve saying that all politicians are really of the same ilk? If not, I really need to re-read that. But I do understand he is pointing out that the grandkids love grandma! Strangely enough, my kids love both of their grandma's as well. One they see only once a month though, as it seems that is about as often as we go to Colorado(wonder if I should just buy a 'weekend home' there now. ;)
So is Steve saying that all politicians are really of the same ilk? If not, I really need to re-read that. But I do understand he is pointing out that the grandkids love grandma! Strangely enough, my kids love both of their grandma's as well. One they see only once a month though, as it seems that is about as often as we go to Colorado(wonder if I should just buy a 'weekend home' there now. ;)
lindainks55 said:
Steve is saying I am loved and valuable to their family and teasing me (as usual) about being a liberal. He is a truly good man and I'm lucky he is part of our family! He professes to be more conservative in his views than I am so we have always had a running argument which we both enjoy. He has admitted his party of choice has changed and he doesn't like the changes. And, truthfully we both vote for candidates vs party. But, for the fun of the ongoing argument his side is currently losing and he knows it. We've been able to have this ongoing debate for some 25 years without ever becoming angry. That's a sign of two people who respect one another, don't you think? It would be most accurate to say we're both really disappointed in the whole bunch who have sold out to the highest bidder. Neither of us are very happy about the high numbers of Americans who don't vote and / or don't pay attention either!
Vaughn Tolle said:
Julie, my thoughts are with you and MM this day. I think I speak for many of us in saying that we'd appreciate a report when you might have a chance.
Linda, the email from Steve is wonderful to read. I'm glad that you and he have such a close relationship (obvious from the text of the email that he has deep affection for you), and that you're doing such a great job being a grandmother. I join with the two of you on not being "very happy about the high numbers of Americans who don't vote and / or don't pay attention either!".
Linda, the email from Steve is wonderful to read. I'm glad that you and he have such a close relationship (obvious from the text of the email that he has deep affection for you), and that you're doing such a great job being a grandmother. I join with the two of you on not being "very happy about the high numbers of Americans who don't vote and / or don't pay attention either!".
Danny said:
Linda,
Yes, I would say that being able to debate politics(other issues) without being angry about it is certainly a good sign of respect. I too am disappointed in the lack of the public participating in voting. This means only a few decided our outcomes. Oh well, I vote and if who I vote for doesn't win, then I'll support whom ever is in office and voice my opinion when I disagree with said person(or more likely just be quiet about it and think to myself, "next time").
Julie,
I'll keep you and MM in my thoughts and prayers as well, late as my reply is.
Yes, I would say that being able to debate politics(other issues) without being angry about it is certainly a good sign of respect. I too am disappointed in the lack of the public participating in voting. This means only a few decided our outcomes. Oh well, I vote and if who I vote for doesn't win, then I'll support whom ever is in office and voice my opinion when I disagree with said person(or more likely just be quiet about it and think to myself, "next time").
Julie,
I'll keep you and MM in my thoughts and prayers as well, late as my reply is.
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