Rox said:
Did anyone watch Law & Order SVU last night? Interesting spin on the torture issue. Thought provoking, at the very least.
And speaking of TV shows, last week I noticed a mention of the "Carr Brothers, the Wichita massacre" on Criminal Minds. As far as I know, that's a first. BTK is usually the one to get a mention.
And speaking of TV shows, last week I noticed a mention of the "Carr Brothers, the Wichita massacre" on Criminal Minds. As far as I know, that's a first. BTK is usually the one to get a mention.
gster said:
Rox- yes to both, and I agree. I watch shows like these to see if any of our elected officials are on; ya just never know!
Vaughn Tolle said:
Half a donut would be good right now.
Didn't see the program, Rox. Watched "Bones" and "House" then called it an evening.
On the Carr Brothers; yes, it was a "massacre" of sorts, but from my perspective, it has received the attention it deserves, namely little. A robbery gone bad with many people murdered as a result. Nothing too unusual about that, unfortunately. BTK, on the other hand, well, the serial killer angle is relatively unusual even in our current society, and as such, has been given a big play. Did it deserve the attention? Likely not, but the rarity is what gave it the attention.
Didn't see the program, Rox. Watched "Bones" and "House" then called it an evening.
On the Carr Brothers; yes, it was a "massacre" of sorts, but from my perspective, it has received the attention it deserves, namely little. A robbery gone bad with many people murdered as a result. Nothing too unusual about that, unfortunately. BTK, on the other hand, well, the serial killer angle is relatively unusual even in our current society, and as such, has been given a big play. Did it deserve the attention? Likely not, but the rarity is what gave it the attention.
lindainks55 said:
Good morning. I'm working at MindScapes today. They are joining the fun of Final Friday this month, displaying photographs from two local artists, one a WSU student. So, we're spiffing up the place and hoping for visitors Friday evening. Next month they plan to feature East High Students art -- that's one I'm looking forward to! In fact, student art is their goal for each month as soon as the contacts are made and arrangements finalized. So, if you do Final Fridays add MindScapes to your stops even tho it's out of the way. And, if you stop by be sure to find me and introduce yourself!
Did I ever tell you I went to high school with Dennis Rader? He is two years ahead of me but I recognized him and his name, etc. when his ineptness finally caught up with him.
Baseball tonight! It's a good time of year. Basketball starts soon and then I become one of those people who plans their life around games.
Did I ever tell you I went to high school with Dennis Rader? He is two years ahead of me but I recognized him and his name, etc. when his ineptness finally caught up with him.
Baseball tonight! It's a good time of year. Basketball starts soon and then I become one of those people who plans their life around games.
Vaughn Tolle said:
Linda, I'll take this opportunity to encourage Mindscapes to contact the art folks at NEMHS, if that hasn't already occurred.
Baseball tonight, college football over the weekend, college basketball starting in November (with the World Series still on, if it goes past five games); for a sports junkie like I, a very good time of year.
Baseball tonight, college football over the weekend, college basketball starting in November (with the World Series still on, if it goes past five games); for a sports junkie like I, a very good time of year.
Rox said:
VT, "massacre" was the term they used, and it was a mention in a list of other attrocities. It wasn't a term I've ever used in relation to it, but hey, I don't write for Criminal Minds. LOL And I miss Mandy! waaaaaaa
Linda, sounds like fun! I hope MindScapes has a wonderful turnout!
Linda, sounds like fun! I hope MindScapes has a wonderful turnout!
Danny said:
The Carr brothers were of interest to me only because I am friends with one of the victims. I also know that persons brother(it was how I knew the person). I won't go into detail into which person this was so as to respect the family.
However, another friend of my mine(police officer) happened to be one of the officers who "worked" the scene. I heard some interesting stories about that. However, being the last time I heard and not witnessing it myself, well I'd butcher it, so I won't mention anything.
However, another friend of my mine(police officer) happened to be one of the officers who "worked" the scene. I heard some interesting stories about that. However, being the last time I heard and not witnessing it myself, well I'd butcher it, so I won't mention anything.
gster said:
Where are the Carrs these days? Are they still going through the automatic appeal process before they're executed? Can't be too soon nor too easy.
Vaughn Tolle said:
Rox, the Carrs are at the ElDorado Correctional Facility, where the Kansas "Death Row" is located. Their case is on appeal through the automatic process, which was delayed for some time due to the question of the constitutionality of the Kansas death penalty.
longhorn said:
"Did I ever tell you I went to high school with Dennis Rader? He is two years ahead of me but I recognized him and his name, etc. when his ineptness finally caught up with him."
His wife's family is originally from WaKeeney, and she's related to about half the town here. While I am not a big fan of her family in general, I do feel sorry for her. And the kids. Musta been quite a life with him.
His wife's family is originally from WaKeeney, and she's related to about half the town here. While I am not a big fan of her family in general, I do feel sorry for her. And the kids. Musta been quite a life with him.
Vaughn Tolle said:
Linda, forgot to extend my best wishes for a good turnout at Mindscapes Friday. You are aware that this Friday is the final game for HS District Play in classes 5A & 6A, and this will likely be a bit of a damper, are you not? I know this is Wichita and not Wellington, so everybody in town will NOT be at the football game(s), but old thought habits are hard for me to break, thus my concern.
Vaughn Tolle said:
Speaking of serial killers, check out the following link. This guy is one twisted mofo, fer shure.
http://tinyurl.com/236g77
http://tinyurl.com/236g77
Rox said:
For an interesting read about serial killers and how the VICAP came into being, try THE EVIL THAT MEN DO.
Here's a synopsis from Amazon:
From Publishers Weekly
Michaud documents the unique career of criminologist Hazelwood, a retired member of the FBI's Behavioral Science Unit (little known to the public until Thomas Harris wrote The Silence of the Lambs). Hazelwood was one of the co-founders of VICAP (Violent Criminal Apprehension Program), the FBI's program to profile serial killers, with Robert Ressler and John Douglas. In the wake of books by Douglas (the bestselling Mind Hunter) and Ressler (Whoever Fights Monsters), Michaud recounts Hazelwood's career and explains his specialty?exploring the psychology and motives of sexual predators, from rapists to serial killers. Sexual crime investigation was a "scorned and degraded facet of police work" until Hazelwood transformed it into a professional discipline at the FBI. "There'd been hundreds of rape studies done," according to Hazelwood, "but no one had ever looked at serial rapists." To do so, he combed prison records of 12 states, locating 41 men who, cumulatively, had committed 837 known rapes and attempted 400 more. The book relates Hazelwood's involvement in several headline cases of both alleged and confirmed sexual crimes (Tawana Brawley in 1987, the Atlanta Child Murders that first came to light in 1979, the explosion that killed 47 aboard the USS Iowa in 1989) and the numerous accounts of unfamiliar criminals are equally, if grimly, absorbing. Michaud is most interesting when he ably summarizes Hazelwood's groundbreaking work and least interesting when he slips into simple hagiography of the dedicated lawman.
Here's a synopsis from Amazon:
From Publishers Weekly
Michaud documents the unique career of criminologist Hazelwood, a retired member of the FBI's Behavioral Science Unit (little known to the public until Thomas Harris wrote The Silence of the Lambs). Hazelwood was one of the co-founders of VICAP (Violent Criminal Apprehension Program), the FBI's program to profile serial killers, with Robert Ressler and John Douglas. In the wake of books by Douglas (the bestselling Mind Hunter) and Ressler (Whoever Fights Monsters), Michaud recounts Hazelwood's career and explains his specialty?exploring the psychology and motives of sexual predators, from rapists to serial killers. Sexual crime investigation was a "scorned and degraded facet of police work" until Hazelwood transformed it into a professional discipline at the FBI. "There'd been hundreds of rape studies done," according to Hazelwood, "but no one had ever looked at serial rapists." To do so, he combed prison records of 12 states, locating 41 men who, cumulatively, had committed 837 known rapes and attempted 400 more. The book relates Hazelwood's involvement in several headline cases of both alleged and confirmed sexual crimes (Tawana Brawley in 1987, the Atlanta Child Murders that first came to light in 1979, the explosion that killed 47 aboard the USS Iowa in 1989) and the numerous accounts of unfamiliar criminals are equally, if grimly, absorbing. Michaud is most interesting when he ably summarizes Hazelwood's groundbreaking work and least interesting when he slips into simple hagiography of the dedicated lawman.
Wendy said:
So I was getting my local news updates, and I noticed the Eagle has a current story going about the Westboro lawsuit ongoing. Me, being the sucker that I am and totally unable to avoid those comment sections, read through some of them. I am still astounding by the insanity of people in this state. :) I guess I want too much to be able to be naive and believe that we all can get along... the pitfalls of being idealistic :)
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