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TODAY'S TIMES

BORROWED OPINIONS
A Second Chance for Ex-Offenders

If past patterns hold true, more than half of the 650,000 prisoners released this year will be back behind bars by 2010. With the prison population exploding and the price of incarceration now topping $60 billion a year, states are rightly focusing on ways to reduce recidivism. Congress can give these efforts a boost by passing the Second Chance Act, which would provide crucial help to people who have paid their debts to society.

Newly released inmates are often driven right back to prison by difficulty in obtaining jobs, education and housing, as well as by the social stigma that comes from having been in prison. In addition, many of these people suffer from mental illnesses but have no access to treatment. Some states have begun offering assistance in these areas, but much more needs to be done.

The Second Chance Act would add to what the country knows about the re-entry process by establishing a federal re-entry task force, along with a national resource center to collect and disseminate information about proven programs.

The bill would broaden access to high-quality drug treatment, which is in scarce supply almost everywhere. It would also encourage states to work harder at reuniting families, which are often torn apart when a parent goes to prison.

The country worsened the recidivism crisis when it killed off many of the in-prison education programs that have a strong track record of helping released inmates live crime-free lives. The bill would begin to reverse that destructive trend by providing grants to improve academic and vocational education behind bars.

The programs necessary to help former prisoners find a place in society do not exist in most communities. The Second Chance Act would help to create those programs by providing money, training, technical assistance — and a Congressional stamp of approval.

Wendy said:
 
You know, while 7 years ago, fresh out of college with my Criminology degree, I would have agreed with this - and while intelligently I know that in some cases this would be true, based on past experience, some of this I simply don't buy. And here is the reason why:

Many of these offenders are "non-violent" offenders, usually facing prison time on drug charges. The problem is, by the time a majority of these people reach prison, they have already been given 700 chances to get it right. Take the monsters dad, for instance (and had I known this at the time, the entire relationship wouldn't have happened, but a lot of this I did not find out until AFTER I was already pregnant) - he was arrested on FEDERAL drug charges two years before I met him. They gave him a deal in exchange for his testimony against the person they were REALLY after - 3 years probation and the completion of a rehab program. Well, he did the rehab. Got out, started drinking again almost immediately. About eight months after we started dating, he was back to using drugs. This landed him back in Rehab (by this time I was living in Springfield, MO and only came home every couple of weeks so I did not know about this) which he was in for 45 days. About 3 months later, I find out I am pregnant. Within a month I find out he has been using again pretty much since he got out of rehab, he has been drinking again, and he has failed a court ordered UA, which violates the terms of his probation (AGAIN). This time they put him on house arrest for 30 days. He violates the house arrest by failing ANOTHER UA, so they extend house arrest to 60 days. When he fails yet ANOTHER UA, they put him in inpatient rehab, he is not allowed visitors or anything, for 28 days. After that is completed, he is moved to a halfway house, where he is at for four months. By this time our son has been born. (It is April at this point) In June, he gets a DUI - ANOTHER violation of his probation. They FINALLY decide enough is enough and send him to prison for 10 months. When he gets out at 8 months, they put him BACK in the halfway house for another 2 months to fulfill his sentence. Within three months of him getting out of the halfway house, he is back to his same old tricks - only this time, he is no longer on probation, as the prison term has fulfilled his requirements, and so there is no way to "solve" the problem this time. He has been on and off of drugs ever since... So that whole "forgiveness" thing wouldn't have meant a damn thing to him, because even when he was given more chances than he should have been in the beginning, it didn't help.
 
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Wendy, my sympathies.
I am in my tenth year without drink/drugs.
I know what you have been through.
God do I know!
I had no problem doing without weed, but booze?
Booze is cunning, baffling, and is powerful, especially over me!
I wish I had time to tell a few stories on myself.
Suffice it to say that I was not above stealing the donations at the A.A. meeting in order to stay drunk.

The only way I survived was by changing EVERYTHING.
I have no friends outside of work & blog.
They are dead, jailed, or still using.

I literally watched some of the best souls I know die from alcohol, and kept drinking.
sheesh
 
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lindainks55 said:
 
I'm really proud of you, Tracy!
 
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Rox said:
 
Tracy, I applaud you. You definitely have friends here, so let us know if you ever need anything from us.

Wendy, I'm so glad you and your son have found a stable man to share your lives with.

As Spock would say, live long and prosper!
 
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Rox said:
 
Back to the topic...

For some, rehabilitation works, but it doesn't work for all. As Tracy said, it takes a complete change, and there are many who either don't understand that, don't care, or don't have the intestinal fortitude to go through with it. I think it's in our best interests to help those who can be helped, but those who show they can't or won't shouldn't get opportunities handed to them. The problem is where and how to draw the line.
 
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Vaughn Tolle said:
 
I've heard it said that rehabilitation doesn't help those who don't want to be helped. Another way of saying this is that until the drunk, druggie, whatever, has hit bottom and recognizes it, then all efforts to change the behavior will be futile.

It seems to me that the above encapsulates both Wendy's situation (the refusal of the father of her child to acknowledge he needed the help being offered) and Tracy's situation (recognition he'd hit the bottom and wanted to change).

Tracy, FWIW, you have my admiration, and as I think you know, any support, etc., that I can provide when you ask for it.

I'm one that thinks rehabilitation works better for the first or second time offender who has committed crimes which have the potential for violence (robbery, e.g.), as well as the "non-violent" offender who really wants to make a change. How to identify those folks who may be helped is a puzzle to me.

I'm not alone in the following sentiment: "Everyone finds Jesus in the joint". Cynically stated by almost every attorney who has done criminal defense work, it is a reflection of what any convicted felon will say to try to get out on parole. Some do, in fact, "find Jesus" and change their lives; most don't.

I've always thought that the availability of educational programs for inmates was a good thing; I've also thought it would serve as a test for those who were trying to make a change. To explain, those who will continually work on a degree, a vocational certificate, and who make progress thereat or complete the program shows a dedication to making the change. It isn't perfect, by any means; any inmate who is trying to "work the system" realizes this, too, and will take advantage of the opportunity while scheming his/her next nefarious act after release. However, I've speculated that the latter will "give up" after the first or second denial of parole, while those who are truly dedicated will continue.

My two cents.
 
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Vaughn Tolle said:
 
Back to Wendy's post; the first example she gave is a perfect example of the "deal" a prosecutor will offer to get the one they are really after. I'll tell you that happens very, very often. I'd speculate that the rehab program was a "joke", and the progress of the "flipped" witness wasn't really monitored. The prosecutor got what s/he wanted, the conviction of a dealer, I'd suspect a major one, and well, too bad, so sad for the other guy who helped make the case. We'll see him again in all likelihood, and will deal him again if needed. Given the progression Wendy posts, I'll again speculate that the guy he helped deliver the first time was a "big fish".

A major problem I've been told with the initial rehab programs is the lack of follow-up once completed. Not saying that the availability of the same would have changed anything, but I'd speculate there was not any follow-up counseling, etc., available once the initial rehab program was completed. A failure waiting to happen.
 
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Wendy said:
 
You know, the irony is that my father has been sober for 14 years. My grandfather has been sober for 11. I KNOW it can be done.

I think that is the biggest thing. Until they truly want to do it for themselves, they will not succeed. He once tried to tell me that the monster was his reason for trying. Oh, let me tell you I lit into him on that one. For many reasons, but the main one being that his statement puts WAY too much responsibility on a two year old child. Because if he fails (as he has so many times, and as he likely will since he isn't really dedicating himself to doing it) then my son will hold himself responsible because his daddy told him that he was the reason he tried... Oh, it still makes me mad to think about it.

You know, I have no problem with helping those that want to be helped. Like Rox said, the problem is determining who that really is. Current programs in place for example for the whole family thing - when he was in prison finally, they ENCOURAGED parents to bring their children to the prison to visit (federal charges meant he was hanging out in Leavenworth, BTW). Well, I'll be damned if I was going to take my 6-16 month old son to a PRISON to visit his father. And my pediatrician said the same thing (I asked him so that I could have a concrete reason to shut the monster's dad up about it) But all these counselors at the prison who were trying to help with re0integration were really pushing it on the inmates... now, you tell me, how does that help anything for those kids to see their parent in prison?
 
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lindainks55 said:
 
I read in today's Eagle that more waivers are given to more with criminal pasts in order to attract them to our military. Guess there's still one place they can find work. We all know we wouldn't want to need young people with advantages so we better make it possible for some more with fewer options.
 
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I appreciate your support and applause, but....
the truth is that it took me 10 YEARS of recidivism to get to this point. Much of it was some pretty ugly, painful existence. It's really a terrible thing when it gets that bad.
Wendy, sounds like you know the ropes well.
I'm sure you have the strength to deal with life.

The crux of my position on rehab is like this:
Years ago when I attended AA, I would always ask all the court ordered people to give me their little signature papers BEFORE the meeting. Then I promptly signed them all and told them they were free to leave.
 
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Vaughn Tolle said:
 
Tracy, understand why you handled the court ordered attendees the way you did. They were there for the signature for the most part.
 
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lindainks55 said:
 
I liked your approach to signing the court ordered and sending them on their way so those who wanted help could get it! Today there seem to be a lot of "treatment" programs designed to satisfy the court orders AND fill pockets of those willing to man them. I feel for the person who really wants help and is surrounded by the too many who don't. 'Course I guess if they really want to change maybe they will in spite of the increased temptations.

I know you my friends know that my youngest is an alcoholic (according to Mom). He says he can handle it, etc. When something affects life, jobs, relationships, puts you in jail and in hospitals, I consider it a problem. Another one of those things I can't do anything about. Batting a thousand here.
 
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Vaughn Tolle said:
 
No, Linda, you cannot do anything about your youngest and his attitude. He's got to "hit bottom" and want to do something about his condition before anything will happen.

My dad was an alcoholic "in denial"; been through that as a child, not a pretty thing. Wouldn't want to deal with it as a parent.

I'm constantly on guard, as I have what is popularly denominated as an "addictive personality". Recognized this my freshman year in college, and have been fighting it ever since.
 
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Hank said:
 
Interesting,

Luckily, (and I think luck has a lot to do with it in my case) I don't seem to have an adictive personality.

In 1976 when I was stationed in Idaho I got a DUI. (I rolled a Fiat Spider three and a half times) After a night in jail I was awarded a deferred judgement if I attended a court assigned alcohol course. It consisted of six meetings that I had six months to get to. I went to class with some of the most hopeless drunks in Idaho Falls. Looking around I was pretty smug, I wasn't a drunk!

The first five went without incident. I thought it was basically stupid for me to be there because I didn't have a 'problem'. Hell, I hadn't had a drink since the accident! I could stop any time I wanted!

Then the last class came around and it was given by a big, red headed Irish attorney. You could tell that he had had a drink or two.

He started the class by having us make a list of how much money it cost us to drink.

Well, for me, my 'social drinking' was pretty much managable, I started my list.

I bought five cases of Coors twice a month, I could get them wholesale on payday at the Coors warehouse if I bought at least five cases. Relatively cheap. Seems like a lot of beer, but I had friends that would help.

Then I'd go through a quart or two of Jack Daniels a payday. Didn't really drink it to get drunk, I'd just drink down a shooter or two in the morning to keep the Pall Malls from sticking to my lips.

I only went out to drink maybe once a week, ussually less than twenty dollars, hell, some times I even came home with more money than I left the house with. (I'm very good at eight-ball).

All in all my 'social drinking' hardly cost me $100.00 a month!

I handed Big Red my tally sheet with the rest of the happy attendees and he promptly wadded it up and threw it in the trash without looking at it.

Now, he said, handing out a new blank sheet of paper, let's figure out the real cost of your little drinking problem!

Have you ever been divorced because your wife was tired of living with a drunk? Well, yes I have. Lost the house, the car, left with only the stuff that could fit in a sea bag. Close to $40,000 all said and done.

How many cars heve you totalled? He asked looking right at me. Well, I thought there was that Fiat, of course, then I've fallen off every motorcycle I've ever owned, Then that baby blue Vauxhall that I got so drunk in Honolulu one night and just lost. (never found it) Vehicles? Maybe another 20-30 thousand.

Then he said, "How's your car insurance doing right now? Well, I had bought a new 1977 Jeep QuadraTrac. Payments running around $186.00 a month. Insurance? Around another $186.00 a month.

About this time I broke out in a cold sweat. Shit! I have a damn problem! Hell, I have a damn drinking problem!

Something happened to me that night. I didn't drink for several years after that. I can have a glass of wine with dinner, or maybe two but it's hard to finish the second one. There's something psychological about drinking now with me, it's hard for me to drink enough to get drunk. The second beer in an evening just starts tasting bad.

Like Tracy, I've had a lot of friends that have had drinking problems. I've volunteered with a few organizations to help in various ways. How many types of alcoholics are there? I'll tell you, almost every one is a different type. I think that's why some programs are sucessful for some and other programs are sucessful for others.

I admire the courage that it takes to remain clean and sober. Keep with it Tracy! You deserve it!

Hank
 
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Vaughn Tolle said:
 
Hank,

Sometimes I think "addictive personality" is a label that is applied to those who have a predisposition, genetic or otherwise, to addiction, but in the absence of any "hard" data, the softer approach is used. As you know, I used it myself to describe me, with full knowledge that there is likely a predisposition, at least in the case of the use of alcohol. The genetics are there, I know.

I also think "addictive personality" is used to describe those who develop what would be called an addiction if drugs (including alcohol) were involved, but the "addiction" is to something not physical in nature. For example, back in the early days of "bulletin boards", I'd be online for six to eight hours straight, every day (well, every night) pursuing everything that was "on the board". It got to the point I didn't function well without my daily "fix". Really bad. Kicked that habit when the "free boards" started disappearing, and one day I realized I hadn't missed them at all, with the added benefit of more sleep also gained.

Anyway, as you state, it takes courage to remain clean and sober, and while Tracy downplays it, I totally agree; he deserves it.
 
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